Podcast:Counseling Talk — A podcast by 9Marks Published On: Mon Aug 26 2024 Description: In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak, Hayley, and Garrett interview Esther Liu about shame and how pastors and counselors can view shame in the light of Scripture and the gospel.Related ResourcesShame Interrupted: How God Lifts the Pain of Worthlessness and Rejection by Ed WelchShame: Being Known and Loved by Esther Liu